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		<title>How to get a PESEL</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[As you may have already noticed in Poland, any time you try and do something (such a open a bank account or get a mobile phone contract) people ask your for your &#8216;Pesel&#8217;.  Most of the time you don&#8217;t actually need a Pesel if you argue with them &#8211; but of course it&#8217;s a [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As you may have already noticed in Poland, any time you try and do something (such a open a bank account or get a mobile phone contract) people ask your for your &#8216;Pesel&#8217;.  Most of the time you don&#8217;t actually need a Pesel if you argue with them &#8211; but of course it&#8217;s a lot easier if you have one.</p>
<p><span style="font-weight:bold;">What is a PESEL?</span></p>
<p>A Pesel is an 11 digit identification number <a href="http://www.polishforums.com/obtaining_pesel_id_card_passport-7_25277_0.html#msg485541">partly based on your date of birth</a>.  Polish people are assigned one within a couple of months of being born.  When my daughter was born here in Poland we simply called the Urząd Miasta when she was 2 months old and they told us it over the phone.  For foreigners you get it in the same place where you do your zameldowanie.</p>
<p>A Pesel is not a VAT number, nor is it a tax number (called a &#8216;NIP&#8217; number in Poland), nor is it a national insurance number.  It is just an ID number.</p>
<p><span style="font-weight:bold;">How do I get my PESEL?</span></p>
<p>If you are a foreigner (i.e.  you don&#8217;t have <a href="http://www.britishinpoland.com/blog/2008/06/getting-polish-citizenship/">confirmation of Polish citizenship</a>) then a pesel can be applied for when you do a <a href="http://www.britishinpoland.com/blog/2008/02/foreigners-in-poland-registration-zameldowanie/">zameldowanie</a> for a a period greater than 3 months.  But to register for more than 3 months you will need to have got your <a href="http://www.britishinpoland.com/blog/2008/03/5-year-registration-karta-pobytu/">karta pobytu</a> already which lets you register for 5 years.<br />
When you do your 5 year zameldowanie make sure you explicitly tell them that you want a Pesel.  They are supposed to ask you about it but they didn&#8217;t ask me at all.<br />
I have heard that sometimes they generate the Pesel automatically and some people didn&#8217;t even know that one had been generated for them.  But for me no-one mentioned anything and on checking today they said I don&#8217;t have one.<br />
Because the procedure is that a Pesel can only be generated when you register, I therefore needed to de-register and re-register (wymeldować and again zameldować).   Unfortunately I didn&#8217;t have my documents with me so I will come back and do this another time.  I was told I would receive my Pesel within 10 days of doing this.</p>
<p>Getting a Pesel is very easy to do and doesn&#8217;t cost anything.  It will save you many arguments in public offices and shops.  I wish I had known about this a few months ago&#8230;</p>
<p>EDIT &#8211; 19th Aug 2008:</p>
<p>I just returned form the Urząd Miasta and was told something different &#8211; the regular guy was there and he claimed that he did offer me a Pesel and I declined it.  I find that hard to believe (why would I decline a Pesel?) but maybe I misunderstood something.  He said that it would now be difficult to issue one.  After a few phone calls and playing with his computer he said he would delete me, start over again from new and do it.  So in the end it was sorted and I didn&#8217;t have to de-register and re-register.  He said I had to return in a week to collect it.  I asked if I could just call by phone and he said no.  By this time he was getting grumpy so I didn&#8217;t try and push my luck any further&#8230;</p>
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